The Energy Fix Episode 109 - FINAL.mp3
2025-04-14
Transcript
0:00:13 Tansy Rodgers: Welcome back to the Energy Fix, a podcast dedicated to help you balance your energetic body by diving deep into the sweet world of all things health and spirituality.
0:00:25 Tansy Rodgers: My name’s Tansy and I’m an intuitive crystal Reiki energy healer, energetic nutrition and holistic health practitioner, and a crystal jewelry designer. It’s time to talk all things energy. Let’s dive in. Let’s get real for a moment. Healing isn’t always graceful, it’s rarely clean, and it definitely doesn’t come with a step by step manual. If you’ve been in the healing space, you know that for certain because sometimes it’s messy, wild, uncomfortable, and sometimes it’s wrapped in mushrooms in a prayer.
0:01:02 Tansy Rodgers: And in today’s episode, we’re going to dive deep with that. We’re getting soul deep with Rachel Pastor and Tiffany Heard, two bold heart led women using microdosing and psychedelics to support emotional healing. Dissolve trauma and revolution, reconnect us with our truth. They are really stepping into this place of leading a movement at the intersection of healing, psychedelics and embodied transformation.
0:01:34 Tansy Rodgers: Rachel is a transformation expert speaker and part of Golden Rule Mushrooms. But her story begins in the depths of addiction and homelessness and rises into full blown empowerment. She’s going to tell all about her story. It is just fascinating. She’s proof that healing is possible and that we can rewrite our stories through mindset, intention and the magic of mushrooms. Tiffany is a microdosing advisor, business mentor and speaker who has guided over 250 individuals and teams through intentional psychedelic practices.
0:02:15 Tansy Rodgers: Her approach blends neuroscience with deep emotional awareness to help people reclaim clarity, creativity and courage, especially in leadership and life transitions and together. On this episode, they’re not going to just talk about microdosing. They’re going to talk about how reshaping the conversation around what it truly means to heal, lead and rise is completely possible. I was so excited to have this conversation with Rachel and Tiffany because I feel like the concept of microdosing has become so, so much more talked about.
0:02:56 Tansy Rodgers: People are having this conversation. There is research and science around it. There is an opening to other possibilities. And even though for some it could still feel slightly controversial or maybe even scary when they don’t know what it actually is, it is ultimately, I think, a conversation that we need to have in order to talk about is it right for you? Is it something that is possible? Is it part of your journey and opening up to potential new ideas of what it means for healing for you? So I’m really excited to bring this conversation to you and give you the chance and the space to be able to explore it on your own.
0:03:42 Tansy Rodgers: Now, before we really dive in, I want to give you updates like I always like to do. Here is what’s opening up in my world right now. And if you’re feeling called to deepen your healing and rise into your own energetic rebirth, there are few ideas and options for you. So first, I am so excited. I am right in the middle of the Energy Alchemy Circle membership officially being open, but doors are closing on Tuesday, April 22nd.
0:04:12 Tansy Rodgers: This is my sacred monthly membership that fuses together energy work, functional healing, crystal magic and body wisdom so that you can regulate your nervous system, unlock your intuition and really fully step into reclaiming your energy. This is the culmination of my 20 plus years in this work that I do and I’m so excited to bring this community together. This is something that’s been on my heart for a long time.
0:04:42 Tansy Rodgers: So if you are tired of going it alone, this is going to be your space and you can check it out and join over@tansy rogers.com backslash membership and then on Thursday, April 24th I will be co leading in person a sound and crystal Reiki session at Chevaya Healing Arts in Litz, Pennsylvania. It is a beautiful immersive evening of energy clearing, vibrational alignment and soul restoration. So if you are local and you want to come out and join in that come and just shift into something bigger.
0:05:19 Tansy Rodgers: You can reach out to me or go over to my website@tansy rogers.com and learn how you can sign up. And finally there is another live event coming up that is going to be all about the jewelry and crystal healing side of my work. If you are in Central Pennsylvania you can find me and my Crystal Jewelry live at the Hershey Gem Jewelry and Rock show on Sunday, April 27. So come and say hi. Shop in the Magic. It is such a great event. I did this one back in January of this year and it was such a great event.
0:05:57 Tansy Rodgers: I mean, oh my goodness, lots of vendors, lots of people, good energy.
0:06:03 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, it’s a great show to come.
0:06:05 Tansy Rodgers: To so make sure to come on out and say hi and soak it all up. Now let’s jump into this raw and resonant conversation with Rachel and Tiffany because your healing doesn’t have to look like anyone else’s. And maybe, just maybe, the path back to your power begins with a microdose of curiosity. Let’s dive in.
0:06:33 Tansy Rodgers: Welcome to the Energy Fix. Thank you so much for being here today Tiffany and Rachel.
0:06:39 Rachel Pastor: Hey thanks for having us. We’re grateful to be here.
0:06:42 Tiffany Hurd: Echo that.
0:06:43 Tansy Rodgers: You know, as we’re going to dive into a great conversation that I was saying off camera that I feel like has been a profound conversation in so many of my social circles. Before we do that, I really want. I want the listeners to get to know you, where you’re at right now at this time in your life. So either Tiffany, Rachel, whoever wants to start. Is there a word or a phrase that you’re really connecting to right now that you’re really embodying in this season of your life?
0:07:19 Rachel Pastor: I can go first, you know, right now, liberation really is a word that I’m embodying right now. It’s. It’s really kind of the word I picked for my year, but it has continued to show up for me over and over and over again. And for me, liberation really is connected to freedom and finding freedom within myself. And I. I’m really deep into the Gene Keys. And so part of that is really looking at my shadow through being provoked.
0:07:57 Rachel Pastor: And that really resonates with me deeply. And so really looking at different aspects of my life where I’m being provoked and how that fills within me and the cage that it creates and how I can find liberation through that.
0:08:13 Tansy Rodgers: I love that. And, you know, before we go over to Tiffany to find out where she’s connecting into, I’m curious, Rachel. I mean. Oh, especially right now, I love that you’re into human design and Gene Keys, because I feel like maybe you’ll really understand what I’m saying here. I feel like right now this can be so challenging to feel like we’re free, to feel like we’re liberated, to feel that energy, being able to exude out of us more easily. So how are. How are you doing it? How are you connecting into that more freely?
0:08:51 Rachel Pastor: Yeah. So currently, right now, it’s a lot around what we’re talking about and really finding a place within myself to be liberated, to share and to speak my beliefs. And. And you know, that that can be challenging. But I also do believe we’re. We’re moving into an. A time of people opening their minds to different possibilities. And within myself, it’s really coming into connection with understanding that we all live in our own perceptions and beliefs.
0:09:33 Rachel Pastor: And how can I, through my words, through my energy, really help other people connect deeply into finding liberation for themselves, into being free thinkers, into being able to open up their minds? And ultimately that comes back to me doing that first. And so how I’m doing that is. Is really just again, Looking at the shadows, looking where that is bothering me, and finding a new way to see it, a creative way to see it.
0:10:04 Tansy Rodgers: Are you a manifestor or a generating manifestor?
0:10:07 Rachel Pastor: I’m actually a generator.
0:10:09 Tansy Rodgers: Oh, okay. The way that you were speaking, I very much thought that you might have that connection to being a manifester in some way.
0:10:18 Rachel Pastor: No. Generator.
0:10:20 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah.
0:10:20 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Awesome. All right, well, Tiffany, how about you? What word or phrase are you really connecting into?
0:10:27 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, I was sitting with that and the word that keeps coming through is intention. Being very intentional. And that’s with everything. Like when I’m really locked in and I’m really grounded, I’m really intentional with the way that I’m living my life. Whether that’s with my friends, with my family, how I’m, you know, shifting from like a zoom call to making myself food. Like what’s that transition looking like for me and what’s the energy that I’m bringing into these different situations really grounds me when I’m more centered and just more intentional with the ways that I’m living my life. And with so much movement happening right now and there’s so much energy happening and there’s so much amazingness happening in work and everything that we’re creating.
0:11:09 Tiffany Hurd: For me, it’s like, how can I really, like be intentional and be so present with each situation and each person that I’m connecting with? And it just centers me. Yeah.
0:11:20 Tansy Rodgers: Has this, has that something that you’ve always struggled with?
0:11:24 Tiffany Hurd: I wouldn’t say struggled with, but I would say probably the last 3ish years, I started to really like lean into living. Much more purpose driven, intentional ways of living where as I started to slow down because I, I come from the corporate world and I was just fast paced and I was going and I was going, I was going and nothing about it was really intentional. I was just surviving pretty much. And so shifting that whole perspective and slowing everything down allowed me to even start to see things through the lens of intentionality.
0:11:59 Tansy Rodgers: Okay, so then you’re the perfect person to ask this. There’s a lot of the listeners who live in that fate, that fast paced way of being and surviving, really just surviving. So what is one thing that really helped you as you started to shift into being more intentional? Specifically because you were in that brain of corporate living.
0:12:23 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, Such a good question. You know, slowing down and hearing my own voice and getting really clear on what do I want, what do I value, what do I desire? Because living in the corporate world, I was so used to people always telling me what to do and telling me how to do it and throwing things on my calendar 24 7, like, that was just the way of, you know, my career at that time. And so reorganizing that restructuring of like, hold on what’s mine, let me weed out this distraction, get really clear.
0:12:53 Tiffany Hurd: And that came from slowing down so that I can even hear what my own voice even sounded like. And so that was really the foundational piece. And then from there came in the clarity of, okay, now that I can hear my own voice, like, really letting my desires come alive, like, what do I even desire? What does that even look like? And that part was really new for me of like, tuning into my needs, tuning into those desires. And it took me a long time to even, like, really unpack what that was or what that meant for me.
0:13:21 Tiffany Hurd: When someone would always say, what’s your vision? I never knew. I’m like, I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t even know how to go that far beyond. And so now I’m like, I know what the vision is. I know what I’m doing, I know where I’m going. And it all came from that slowing down. Getting more intentional and choosing where I want to spend my energy and who I want to spend it with was a game changer.
0:13:41 Tansy Rodgers: I love that. I love that. Because you just emphasized one of the most important things is the slowing down, allowing yourself to hear what’s going on. And I feel like that just so beautifully bridges into what we’re going to talk about. And so, you know, I, I want to know both of your journeys and how you got into this. But before we actually go there, let’s just, let’s just kind of call out that pink elephant and talk about what microdosing is.
0:14:13 Tansy Rodgers: It’s still such a mystery to so many people. How do each of you personally define it, not just in terms of science, but in terms of experience? Like, how does it actually feel? What do you experience with it? Let’s take the mystery out just a little bit.
0:14:32 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, I can go, since I’m off mute. So, you know, when we think of microdosing, it’s non hallucinogenic, sub intoxicating, meaning you’re not tripping, you shouldn’t be tripping. You should be feeling really grounded, really open. Something like hearing your own voice slowing down. Microdosing was incredible for me to access those parts of my cells. A lot of people experience that with microdosing.
0:14:57 Tiffany Hurd: In fact, a lot of people also experience, myself included, having a lot of anxiety and Having these like overactive responses or kind of things that affect you or trigger you and you respond in a way that’s maybe not as patient or not as kind. That was my experience a lot in the past. And there’s many things we can go into as to why, you know, trauma and stress and anxiety, like all those sorts of things.
0:15:22 Tiffany Hurd: But what we find is that microdosing starts to slow that down and allow you to get quiet and get safe still and even unpack what it is that you’re sensing and that you’re feeling and that you’re experiencing so that you can start to have a different experience and outlook and perception of it. So that’s kind of one piece I would say to add to that with microdosing is it’s, it’s intended to be a practice, not a one time experience or a one day experience, but to be a consistent practice where you’re micro dosing about three or four times a week.
0:15:53 Tiffany Hurd: Usually we find that with psilocybin and then two or three times a week with lsd. Those are the two most common medicines that people are microdosing with just because of all the research and the data and everything that’s out today. But usually what we want to see is like you’re microdosing through this practice for 30 days minimum, 90 days maximum, taking breaks at the end to kind of reset the tolerance.
0:16:16 Tiffany Hurd: And yeah, there’s a lot more that I can go into it, but I’ll pass it over to Rachel to speak to her side.
0:16:24 Rachel Pastor: Microdosing for me is really tapped into awareness and so really tapping into being deeply in awareness of what’s going on within myself and what’s going on around me and how that makes me feel and tapping into my own emotions and really filling those emotions. You know, some of us are so busy living into the loop of life, into the same habits, behaviors and beliefs over and over and over again. We often aren’t in awareness of even so many of the decisions that we’re making and why we’re making them or why we’re feeling the way that we’re feeling. Really what is that connected to?
0:17:13 Rachel Pastor: And really deeply tapping me into the understanding and empathy of others and really being able to see them in, in really their light and really being able to see them also in their darkness, but also being able to see them in love through that. And that awareness really helps you transform your relationships with others, your relationship with yourself. And that really is what it’s been for me is it’s a transformation within Myself, but also in how I connect with others.
0:17:55 Rachel Pastor: And that, honestly changes everything. When you are in awareness like that, it truly will change how you show up, the way that you respond and the way that you are really in the energy in the world, because that will begin to shift.
0:18:18 Tansy Rodgers: I just got a little emotional when you said that, because that is really the basis of all of this work that we’re doing. You know, I speak about this periodically on the podcast, and my clients typically know this. When I get full body chills, that’s usually energy, saying to me that this is a confirmation, this is a yes. And as you said, micro dosing is tapping into awareness. I’m getting them again.
0:18:42 Tansy Rodgers: It’s just these full body chills and almost this emotionality that just is pouring out of me. It feels. It. It feels like this place of self exploration that so many people can’t actually access very easily. And this is that opportunity potentially for them.
0:19:03 Rachel Pastor: Absolutely, absolutely. It really, really is. And, you know, I always find it somewhat courageous when somebody decides to do that, because it can be really easy to live life almost numb in. In distracted, and essentially a lot of people are living that way. But when you really want to live your life in liberation, in freedom, and really be able to fill all of that this human experience has to offer, it really does take stepping deeper into that awareness.
0:19:45 Rachel Pastor: And that can at times feel uncomfortable for people because they’re not used to feeling that. But at the same time, when they start to feel it, they feel also so alive because there’s so much beauty in it. Yeah.
0:20:02 Tansy Rodgers: Well, which then leads me into the vulnerability that it does create. So I would love to hear your personal journeys. You both have deeply personal journeys that have led you to this work in the first place. Can you talk a little bit about some of those raw moments when psychedelics cracked something open inside of you and you realize that you are on a whole different path?
0:20:29 Rachel Pastor: Yes, yes.
0:20:30 Tansy Rodgers: I see Tiffany smiling there as I say that to us.
0:20:34 Tiffany Hurd: Their story. We all have stories, of course, but I always love hearing Rachel’s story.
0:20:42 Rachel Pastor: So kind of what. What led me into this path of working in Wellness is from 15, it’s not kind of this. It is the story that led me into this. And from 15 to 20 years old, I was a heroin addict and I was homeless. And at 20, I had kind of a death or change moment. So my boyfriend that I had been a heroin addict for. With for five years, he ended up passing away from an overdose. And he was really all that I had left.
0:21:17 Rachel Pastor: You know, I hadn’t talked to my family in years. I didn’t have any other relationships. And so when he passed away, you know, for really and truly, I really did want my life to end. I really didn’t know how I was going to live any other way. But you know, I ended up ultimately praying to a God that at that time I didn’t even know that I believed in. And really, you know, just asking, like, save me if, if, if, if I’m supposed to stay here, save me.
0:21:49 Rachel Pastor: And I ended up being able to get a plane ticket to Hawaii, getting just enough money for it, buying a one way plane to get to Hawaii, packed everything I had in a backpack and I went there and I told myself when I get off this plane, I’m never going to use again. And when I, I got there, I had a bedroom to stay in. I had a friend that from earlier on she had been an addict with me and her mom had moved her completely to Hawaii to help her get sober.
0:22:19 Rachel Pastor: And they said I could come stay in this bedroom as long as I didn’t use. And, and they didn’t have any methadone clinics, anything like that on the island at that time. And I had, I had tried many times before to get clean. I’d been in and out of rehabs, I’d been on and off methadone clinics. And when I got there, I, yeah, I, I did, I never used again. I wish I could say that it was easy. Interestingly enough, when we decide to transform our lives, it oftentimes sometimes gets harder because we have to face so many things that we, that were hidden or that we kept ourselves from feeling.
0:23:04 Rachel Pastor: And so I really spent a lot of time just getting to know who this person was. And you know, who, who was Rachel when she wasn’t living in the identity of a homeless heroin addict? What did this person do? How did they show up in life? How did they have relationships? And I had a boss who, she invited me to go to the gym. Her name was Mimi and she was trying to lose weight and she said, rachel, I would love if you go to the gym with me and we can walk on the treadmill and watch a show and just talk.
0:23:38 Rachel Pastor: And at that time I was thinking, who in the heck would ever want to go to a gym and work out or walk on a treadmill? Like that was just so far from anything that I knew, but I really needed and wanted a relationship. And so I went with her. We walked on the treadmill and we had great conversation and connected and you know, believe it or not. I felt better from moving my body. Can you believe it? And.
0:24:09 Rachel Pastor: And when I left there, I was like, okay, I could come back here. And I ended up going back, and I ended up going back. And then eventually I landed up in a cycling class. I don’t know how the heck somebody talked me into doing that, but I got on that bike and the lights went down, the music went up. Everybody starts hooting and hollering and just energy’s flowing and it is just pushing me and pushing me, and I’m going with it. And I’m hooting and hollering too, and I’m just in it.
0:24:43 Rachel Pastor: And I get off that bike and I feel like I just took a bunch of drugs. I was like, whatever this is. Oh, I need to bring this to the world. I got in my car, rolled down the windows, turned the music up, and I just was like, I proclaimed my mission right there, that I was going to bring this to the world. I was going to bring this joy that I felt. I felt joy. The endorphins were just kicking. And I ended up working in the.
0:25:14 Rachel Pastor: The fitness and nutrition space for many years, owned different gyms, worked for Chris and Heidi Powell on ABC Weight Loss Edition. And we helped thousands of people around the world. And, you know, what really took place during that time is that I had cured my addiction physically, but I hadn’t cured my addiction mentally and emotionally. And that is so often what happens to people is that they still have all of the traumas that they experience that they haven’t worked through yet.
0:25:57 Rachel Pastor: And in my belief, a lot of the time, why somebody is addicted is because they have traumas they need to work through. They have pain, shame, guilt, and they end up using a substance which could be anything from food, alcohol, heroin. I mean, there’s so many addictions to cover up the pain and to not feel. And so I really went on a journey of. I realized that I really needed to actually work through because I had, again, I had physically cured the addiction, but I still had the anxiety, I still had the depression, I still had. I had ptsd. Like, I still had all of this from childhood all the way through my addiction. That was riding with me.
0:26:50 Rachel Pastor: And so I ended up getting really big into, like, Joe Dispenza. I went to multiple of his retreats and started working around, rewiring my mind. And. And that just blew my mind of the capacity that we all have. And then I was like, okay. I started working in neuro linguistic programming because I was just so in awe of what we are able to do. And I became a master of neuro linguistic programming. And through that I was inter.
0:27:18 Rachel Pastor: Really introduced to psychedelics. And so I decided to start microdosing. During that time I had also decided that I couldn’t work in health and fitness anymore. Not because it’s not great and it’s not needed. It is. But because I was now in an awareness of something that felt deeper to me, that felt like that’s what everybody needs. If even if they want to change their fitness and nutrition, they want to change anything in their life, the first thing they need to do is they need to change what’s going on in their heart, in their head, in their spirit.
0:27:56 Rachel Pastor: And, and so started microdosing. Left my businesses behind and I had, I had created Colorado’s largest fitness festival. I created a large online coaching company and I just let it all go. And I ended up going to do Ayahuasca and had been microdosing, went to do Ayahuasca. And it was just, you know, through those experiences I really started to come into connection of all these things that were hidden inside of me and that really were causing the anxiety, that really were causing a lot of the unwanted emotions that I was feeling or the way that I was almost in some ways debilitated every day in, in the fear that was inside of me.
0:28:48 Rachel Pastor: And so I really was given a clear sign that I was meant to be a bridge in order to help people really come into connection. Everyday people, anybody and everybody into the medicine work. And at that time, you know, when this is a few years ago, a lot of what I saw in the psychedelic industry was that it was almost a little bit disconnected for a lot of people because it was, it what was coming across was so strange in a lot of ways. A lot of the imaging wasn’t feeling very connective for a lot of people. I get why they put that out there because you know, if you’ve been in a deep psychedelic journey, you, you will see things like that and it doesn’t feel as strange when you have no connection to it and you’re like, that just feels weird, right?
0:29:45 Rachel Pastor: And so what I really wanted is I wanted, you know, here I am, I’m. I’m a 41 year old mom. I was younger at that time, but I’m, you know, I have a couple kids, I’m living basically in like suburbia. And how, how did you make people feel comfortable like the other soccer mom to try something so incredible and beautiful? Right? How did you, how do you do that? And So I really, at that point, we joined on to Golden Rule and really helped pave the way in connecting anybody and everybody to feeling comfortable, to trying psychedelics through making them feel more like a wellness practice, more like a wellness supplement, something that people didn’t feel fearful around and really breaking the stigma around.
0:30:42 Rachel Pastor: And so that really is how I got into this and really how it became my mission and really what we’re doing.
0:30:52 Tansy Rodgers: Wow. Wow, what a powerful story. And so as you were talking, I kept thinking about how scary that could have been to take that transition from doing all of that health and wellness work to building the successful empire that you did, and literally just saying, I’m done, and letting go of that and then diving into this place of unknown. And so you, I guess technically, you really kind of did that when you decided to become sober.
0:31:27 Tansy Rodgers: But this is like. This is like a big life shift transition from a place of success that was created. So how. How did you make that shift? How did you make that big jump and trust that micro dosing and this. This new avenue that you were stepping into was going to keep you solid, grounded, and to be the place that was going to help you on this next leg of your journey, really, just.
0:31:59 Rachel Pastor: Trusting in my own transformation of knowing how much it had helped me relief, Relief through the anxiety, relief through the fears, and how peaceful I became and how much more aligned I became with the person that I’ve always wanted to be in the way that I’ve always wanted to feel. And so my belief became so strong in the medicine that I knew, even though it was uncertain, that what I’d rather live in uncertainty and have the opportunity to create massive change in people’s lives than live in what I knew, which was certain, and just keeping myself in the box of certainty.
0:32:49 Rachel Pastor: And so, again, it really just was trusting my own transformation and trusting that this could be true for others.
0:32:57 Tansy Rodgers: Wow.
0:32:59 Tansy Rodgers: And so then, Tiffany, you came on as being a representative in Golden Rule as well. And was that through Rachel, or did you discover Golden Rule separately and as part of your own path on your own journey?
0:33:20 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah. So Rachel and I connected about a year ago, and we kept in touch, and I knew that she was doing some work with Golden Rule, and one thing led to another where we eventually combined our worlds together. And I came and started working with Golden Rule in December.
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0:35:55 Tansy Rodgers: And so. So what brought you into this place of curiosity and wanting to expand and connect in with Golden Rule and with Rachel.
0:36:05 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, so I’ve been in the psychedelic world for about eight years now and, you know, I guess kind of sharing my journey of how I even arrived there. So I grew up single mother, parent, home in and out of mother was in and out of jail, on drugs pretty much my whole childhood. I’d come home from school, our home would be raided, she’d be getting arrested. There was constant change, responsibility at a very, very young age.
0:36:34 Tiffany Hurd: And one thing led to another where I also started using drugs at age 12, some pretty hard drugs. And it felt normal to me and I never felt addicted to it. It just felt like that was the thing to do because it was just in my home. It was that. That was my surrounding. And so mom ended up getting arrested for a longer period of time. We’d stay with friends, we’d stay with a step. A step parent. But one day I was in school and social workers said, hey, you know, we’re gonna have to throw you into the system unless you’re adopted by this family that you’re living with, my mom’s in jail, doesn’t really know who to call, doesn’t really have anybody, but said no to that mother adopting me, which by the grace of God, I’m so grateful that she did because my life would have been dramatically different.
0:37:21 Tiffany Hurd: My uncle came and picked us up, my older brother and I, and we had about 10 minutes. Our house was locked. We had about 10 minutes to go in there, grab anything that we wanted and leave. So two trash bags, my turtle, and we were off to the races. So my uncle takes us in. 12 years old, my brother is 16 years old. And my uncle had never had children, has a girlfriend, doesn’t live with her, but had no idea what he was doing.
0:37:50 Tiffany Hurd: We came, we were a disaster, but very loving children. And so I lived with him until I was 18. And that’s where I started my basketball career. And was very talented and was very type A and I was very driven and it was my outlet and it really like helped me not really understand what was happening around me. Not like being taken away from my mother, being using drugs, like all these sorts of things. It was just an outlet for me to really be focused and dialed in.
0:38:22 Tiffany Hurd: And so I did that. And then I ended up getting a full ride scholarship to Providence College. And at the same time, my uncle had kicked me out right when I turned 18 and I started living with another family. And so all of these sorts of places of living changed my life in their own way. Like there was turbulence in each place, but it was beautiful and so healing and really showed me what it was like to receive love from a family that I never had.
0:38:49 Tiffany Hurd: And so it changed my life and ended up going to school back east. And then shortly after that, when I graduated, the plan was to keep playing, but I ended up visiting Chicago. I had some friends there, I’d never been to Chicago before, had a couple jobs lined up, had a place to live, and that’s where I started my career in the medical industry. Very unplanned, did not think the path was going that direction whatsoever.
0:39:12 Tiffany Hurd: So I ended up going into the medical industry. And I was in that industry for about 15 years, just climbing the ladder, creating what I thought success was. Ended up in director executive roles in business development and sales. And you know, you take my kind of type A driven, basketball, competitive background, and it really just formed nicely into that path and it worked really well for a long time until it didn’t and until I started to really feel the stress and the, and the, the anxiety and, you know, even symptoms of depression throughout the years and just confusion and unfulfillment.
0:39:47 Tiffany Hurd: And that felt confusing to me because I’m okay, I’m successful, I’m doing well, this is a great opportunity. And, yeah, just. It never felt fully right for me. And so I ended up going on medication just to kind of get through the day, quite honestly. Adderall and Lexapro for about six years. And started diving into personal development, into therapy, all these amazing things that were so supportive in so many ways.
0:40:13 Tiffany Hurd: But I just kept feeling this deeper part of me that I wasn’t accessing and I wasn’t understanding. And so I ended up hearing about psychedelics and plant medicine, and there wasn’t much out there, you know, eight years ago. And started hearing about microdosing a little bit. And so I ended up putting myself on my own protocol and just implemented a lot of wellness modalities and things along those lines.
0:40:38 Tiffany Hurd: And I wanted to get off the medication. And within three months I did. And side effect free, didn’t have any withdrawal symptoms. And then when I was off for about 30 days, went into an ayahuasca ceremony. And it just completely opened up this whole new world for me. And similar to what Rachel was sharing, it just the clarity of, like, who I’m meant to be and what I’m meant to do with my life and who I’m meant to walk with and how I meant to serve and that I’m meant to be in this medicine path.
0:41:06 Tiffany Hurd: And I fought it, and I fought it, and I’m like, hell, no, I’m not doing that. I’m in this corporate setup. My life is set up. But I was like, you got to get honest with yourself. You’re not happy, you’re not fulfilled, and it’s time to open up another direction. And so started to. I stayed with the corporate world, started to coach microdosing clients. I would work with two to three microdosing clients a month.
0:41:28 Tiffany Hurd: Started to learn and grow and educate and do different certifications and all those sorts of things within the space with what was here at the time. And it started to just expand. I ended up leaving, going into that full time, teaching people how to work with the medicine, how to microdose. And then I started facilitating the work, higher doses of medicine. And then I was like, you know what? I actually missed the business background. How can I start to merge these worlds together?
0:41:54 Tiffany Hurd: And then that’s where I started to do advising for companies within the wellness and psychedelic space. And then, yeah, that eventually led to golden rule, which is the best decision of my life. It’s been absolutely incredible. I’m just beyond honored and thankful.
0:42:11 Tansy Rodgers: Wow. So when did you actually. When did you actually stop doing the recreational drug usage?
0:42:20 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, so when I was kicked out of my uncle’s. So around. Around 17, 18.
0:42:27 Tansy Rodgers: And so. So you were. So you were still using then when you were in his home, and then also while you were playing basketball? I was curious if that overlapped.
0:42:36 Tiffany Hurd: I was. Yeah, I was. And it was a really weird experience because, like I said, I. I never felt addicted. It just felt like the thing that I was supposed to do because that’s all I was raised around. And the moment I. I remember, you know, there was this park down the street, and I would take my basketball and I would dribble down the street through this little back way, and all the neighbors would know, like, all right, there’s Tiffany. She’s going to the park again.
0:42:59 Tiffany Hurd: And there was a basketball court that I would just play for hours. But there were these teenage boys that lived behind us, and they were smoking crystal meth. And I thought that that was normal because that was in my home. And so I started to do that, or I would have, you know, marijuana and would, you know, make a deal with them to trade. Just like these very survival. Subconscious mechanisms that I was just so familiar with, but it didn’t make any sense.
0:43:28 Tiffany Hurd: And so I remember I was like, I was in my. My uncle’s. In my uncle’s home, in my room. And, you know, we had just done some drugs. Not my uncle and I, but the friends and I. And I remember feeling so uncomfortable in the room. I was so scared. I was seeing things. I was hearing things. And I was like, why? This doesn’t make any sense. Why are you doing this? And I was like, I’m done. I’m complete. And that was that.
0:43:53 Tiffany Hurd: But, you know, my uncle had kicked me out because he found things in the home and didn’t agree with that. And I was lying and hiding. And it wasn’t until I lived with this other family, which was a family on my basketball team. The daughter was a couple years younger, that my life shaped up. It just changed. And it was something about being in a family dynamic like that with them, where they had children, and I ended up being the older one. And we all went to high school together, and they all had good grades, and we’re all successful and great in sports and multiple sports.
0:44:27 Tiffany Hurd: And I’m looking around like, I don’t fit in here. But the day that they Welcomed me in their home. They threw me in their family photo. And it was awkward and it was uncomfortable. And so I had to really sit with that discomfort of what it’s like to be in a family. And that’s, you know, I shaped up. It took me about a year, but I went from going out all the time to I want to spend time with my family, I want to go to their games.
0:44:50 Tiffany Hurd: Like, it just completely shift my whole perspective.
0:44:53 Tansy Rodgers: Wow. Wow. So this is really interesting. So each of you have the background with the recreational drug use. I’m curious how within yourselves you step from this place of recreational drugs versus therapeutic plant medicine and got to this point of stability in health and. And healing versus the stigma of what it could be and how it could be used more negatively. How did you get that? Get there transition wise?
0:45:29 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, I know for me, I was at a very desperate place in my life to heal and therapy, like I said, personal development work, although it was phenomenal and so supportive in its own way, there was still more for me to process and to be with and to come to acceptance around and forgiveness around. And for me, that’s where I started to really unpack the therapeutic use of these medicines. And as I started to work with them in a very intentional way, because of course I worked with them recreationally and that was great and fun. And there is just so much beauty in that, in its own way, depending on what you need.
0:46:03 Tiffany Hurd: And what I needed was some healing. And that’s why I was very much so intentional in the ways that I was. When I started working with it and I started to feel the benefits, I started to experience the change. And not just getting off medication, which was life changing in literally so many ways, but who. The woman I became when I wasn’t on medication anymore, who started to come alive, who. How was I holding myself? How was I speaking? How was I connecting with people? How was I feeling in my body? In a way where I felt my. I felt like myself and a version of myself that I just hadn’t met.
0:46:39 Tiffany Hurd: And so then I had to get to know her and retrain my whole body of like, who is she? Who do I want to be? And it was. It. Talk about liberating. It was liberating. It was life changing for me. And so. And then working in ceremonies and that being so intentional and such a beautiful curated process, just literally life changing in so many ways that. How do you go back?
0:47:08 Tansy Rodgers: I love. I love something. Before you answer, Rachel, I need. I need to say this. I love that you just Made that distinction. You said, well, of course I did them recreationally too. Like you. You had that experience prior, but there was a difference when you shifted the way that you worked with it. Thank you for saying that. And distinguishing that there was that separation. How about you, Rachel? How. How have you worked with that internally?
0:47:38 Rachel Pastor: Yeah. So really, for me, when I first discovered psychedelics, microdosing, it was through a lot of research. So it was really looking at the research that has really been coming down for a few years now, and really looking at how it had and is impacting people. One, one in particular, one study was a John Hopkins study. Tony Robbins talks about it a lot, but he talks about it in basically that it blew SSRIs out of the water and why it did and, and how it did, and really being able to look at it through a different perspective of not drugs, of looking at it through wellness.
0:48:31 Rachel Pastor: And, you know, I always, I, I right away felt a deep connection to the plant medicine. I, I didn’t necessarily feel scared of it, but also because I have the background of addiction in using different drugs in a very addictive way, I really felt like I needed to understand more of how this was different. And a lot of what I learned through that is that it is not physically addictive, so you can’t physically get addicted to psilocybin.
0:49:14 Rachel Pastor: And so I was able, again, through the different research that I was doing, through how I felt connected to it, through how people have been using it through eons and eons. In, in really being able to look at it in a different way was the way that I was able to connect with it and be able to see it differently and be able to utilize it in a way that was all around healing.
0:49:41 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah, well, let’s. Let’s talk a little bit about that research. You. You mentioned that a few times now. Let’s talk about a little bit more about that. I find it fascinating that both of you mentioned things like you started to experience anxiety and depression, and you had this deeper desire to connect into personal development, and you knew something needed to shift. And so there was a lot mentally that was going on.
0:50:08 Tansy Rodgers: Let’s talk about neuroplasticity and microdosing. Let’s break that down a little bit. What is actually happening in the brain when we microdose? Why does that make us feel better? Why does it let go of some of the anxiety or the depression and help us to dive deeper into unlocking some of these inner, inner subconscious secrets, for lack of better words, that we, that we need to Lock into to get healthier. And how does that translate into real tangible shifts into our everyday life?
0:50:43 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, yeah, I love this topic. So neuroplasticity, when we think of neuroplasticity, it’s basically our brain’s ability to reorganize and form new connections. I would say it also creates sort of this like unique window of opportunity where our brains become more adaptable and open to making changes. And so think of it like our brains become more malleable or they become more plastic, which is what’s essentially allowing us to more easily let go of those kind of old stuck overthinking patterns that we all at some point find ourselves in.
0:51:21 Tiffany Hurd: And really that then leads to this desire to replace them with healthier ones. And not just the desire to replace them with healthier ones, but it becomes a lot more accessible and you’re a lot more open to do so. And so when it comes to like neuroplasticity or no, I would say like between neuroplasticity creating new pathways in the brain, we also have what’s called the amygdala part of our brain, or what a lot of people in the psychedelic space will reference in another phrase that, like the default mode network.
0:51:55 Tiffany Hurd: Both of those are very loud, overactive parts of the brain that we all experience when there’s anxiety or there’s fear or there’s something that feels uncomfortable, or we get this really exciting idea that we want to go take action on. But all of a sudden we have these limiting beliefs that come in that, that are like, no, no, no, don’t do that. That’s not safe. Or that’s, that’s not for you. Or whatever the thing is that comes in that prevents you from taking that action that you really want to take is those parts of the brain that are loud all of a sudden start to quiet down and slow down and are not as active.
0:52:30 Tiffany Hurd: And that is what really allows people to slow down, get more present. Like I was saying, hear our own voice, get clear on what it is they’re actually even experiencing. Yes, I’m feeling anxious, but why? What is that actually connected to? What am I actually experiencing? And so that is very healing and life changing for a lot of people to just experience that alone. And that’s just one little category.
0:52:57 Tiffany Hurd: And so all that to say when we’re working with psychedelics and all this is happening in the brain and the body and just neurobiologically speaking, it’s allowing us to arrive in this place of having a new perception and A new perspective around ourselves and the world and the people we’re connecting with and the things that affect us and the patterns and years and years and years of habitual beliefs that we’ve experienced from, you know, trauma or just life events that have really impacted and affected us, that we’ve created these barriers and structures and walls and just beliefs around that hold us back in a lot of ways or don’t allow us to be fully expressive or fully ourselves.
0:53:42 Tiffany Hurd: All of a sudden, we can start to break those down in a lot of ways and have these new perceptions around the way that we once viewed those things. And that alone is, I mean, life changing.
0:53:56 Rachel Pastor: Yeah.
0:53:56 Tansy Rodgers: And so. So thinking about how it then shifts the brain and it changes. It changes the structure, literally, physically. How does that then help somebody in their everyday? Like, how. How can somebody take what is opening and bring it into their daily life to make real, tangible changes?
0:54:19 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, through integration. So that’s where a lot of this work comes in, is like, okay, I’m working with this medicine. It’s not going to do the work for me. It’s not going to change my life for me. But it’s a tool and it’s a resource that I can tap into and I can access and I can just kind of get out of my own way in a lot of ways and start to see things a little bit differently. But when I do, and all these things start coming up, what do I do with all this information?
0:54:47 Tiffany Hurd: What do I do with these insights? What do I do with these new ways of thinking and being? And that’s where you start to install integration resources, things to regulate your nervous system, meditation, breathwork, time in nature, a lot of journaling, working with the coach in the psychedelic space, working with a therapist that you’re working with, working with a coach outside of the psychedelic space.
0:55:11 Tiffany Hurd: Whatever you think is going to be supportive for what it is that you need, and the support that you’re desiring to receive with what you’re experiencing is really where we see this. This way of working with psychedelics being completely accelerated in a way that’s not bypassing, but it’s grounded and it’s intentional, and you’re making those small steps. And that’s really. If we think about microdosing, it’s not intended to be a ceremony where you go in and there’s this big experience. And it’s amazing in a lot of ways and very challenging in others.
0:55:43 Tiffany Hurd: And then you’re like, all right, gotta do the integration right after. Gotta stay in this two week Window microdosing is intended to integrate as you’re microdosing as you’re going through life. It’s a practice throughout the week and it’s subtle and it’s gentle and it allows your nervous system to calibrate at its own state where you’re able to receive these incredible benefits when you’re working, when you’re driving your kids to school, when you’re working out at the gym, like just things along those lines. So yeah, I can go on and on.
0:56:16 Tansy Rodgers: You know, I’m over here, I’m over here laughing because it’s really like any kind of coaching. For example, I have people who come in and do coaching with me or they come in and get, they get energy medicine sessions with me. And I always say you have to do the work afterwards. There needs to be some of those action steps put into place because if you don’t do the in between work, you’re really not going to truly allow your own personal self growth.
0:56:45 Tansy Rodgers: And so thinking about that, what are some of the biggest mistakes that you see people making when they start microdosing and how do you actually guide them to integrating and bringing more intentional, lasting transformation into their life?
0:57:03 Rachel Pastor: I see it as really what I see in people. I guess if you want to call it kind of a mistake or not going about it in the right way is kind of just treating it like they’re gonna take a, a magic pill and it’s going to completely change their lives in, you know, even just taking it one time. Right. So we’ll see people try it one or two times maybe for a week, and they, their whole lives won’t be completely transformed in the week. Right.
0:57:46 Rachel Pastor: Their lives aren’t completely changed in that, in that time. And so they just stop. And you know, it’s, it’s so much more than that. And ultimately it is really you working with it like Tiffany talked about and you were just explaining. And also people not setting intentions when they’re taking it. So it’ll be funny. I’ll see somebody even microdose for like a couple months and they will be feeling a lot better.
0:58:25 Rachel Pastor: Like they will feel lighter, they will feel less anxiety, they will feel just more joy and more presence and all those, those things that people start to feel even after one dose. Sometimes people feel that way. Actually a lot of time they do. But when do the changes come in, right? When do the lasting changes come in? And so then they’ll be like, you know, I know you’ve been telling me to set an intention, but I’VE never really done it.
0:58:57 Rachel Pastor: And then I started setting an intention before I took it. And that really changed everything for me, because what’s happening is you’re. You’re going in there and you’re. This. This medicine is opening you up, right? Your brain is all moldable, and it’s. And all these neural pathways are going and firing, and, yeah, change is happening, but if you’re not giving it direction, it’s not changing in the direction that you want it to.
0:59:25 Rachel Pastor: And so it’s. You got to give it direction on what you want. Exactly. And so that would be probably one of the bigger things, is just again, not taking it long enough and not. Not working with it and also not setting intention around it.
0:59:44 Tansy Rodgers: And so, Rachel, let’s talk about your journey, specifically with this and. And the integration part and the setting the intention. How did microdosing in the way, or what you learned in the way to use it most effectively help you to rebuild your relationship with yourself and really fully help you step into your own power?
1:00:07 Rachel Pastor: Yeah, well, I will admit, when I first started microdosing, I was one of those people. I was like, I was just taking it. So I will say that, you know, y’all aren’t alone. If that has been your path, I’ve been there, too. And then, you know, what really shifted for me is I did start to have more awareness, and more feelings were popping up for me, but I was trying to figure out what to do with them.
1:00:35 Rachel Pastor: Like, how did I. How. How do I create the shifts that I want to create? And. And for me, that was a lot of learning how to really sit and be with it. And instead of continually trying to push it away in some way, like, I was feeling it, I was aware of it, but essentially, I was, in a lot of ways, continuing to, like, be, like, push, but push it away, because I didn’t know how to work with it or what to do with it.
1:01:13 Rachel Pastor: And at times, it felt very uncomfortable. So that’s, you know, really when I started to utilize a lot of what I learned through Joe Dispenza in, you know, sitting in meditation and really tapping into the feelings that I wanted to fill and really tapping into feeling, you know, who was my highest self. How did she feel? How did she think? How did she talk? Talk, Right. And. And really using that to help guide the experience that I was having. Instead of just continuing to sit in the same loop of these feelings coming up and. And not really sure what to do with them and just kind of like, this cycle, I had to Begin to shift my own identity. And not just shift it, but fill it.
1:02:05 Rachel Pastor: And so whenever I. We’re working with somebody and they’re like, oh, I’m feeling this, or I’m feeling this, or I’m feeling, you know, I’m feeling so good, I’m feeling this. I’m like, anchor that in, anchor that. Filling in like that is it. Sit with that, feel that. How is that? You know, and in. I think that’s such an important part of it. And that really was a big part of my path is like learning how to again, slow down, how to be with my feelings and also how to shift my feelings into what I wanted them to be. You can either be. You can either choose to be in fear or you can choose to be in love.
1:02:47 Rachel Pastor: You can choose to make a decision from fear. You can choose to make a decision for love. It’s all a choice.
1:02:52 Tansy Rodgers: Do you think it helped it make it a little easier to then choose the feeling in love and to be in love rather than fear by changing that perspective?
1:03:03 Rachel Pastor: Absolutely. Absolutely. And that is everything. It’s perspective. It’s like you can look at something for that. This is the worst week that ever happened. You know, I actually was just with my daughter in that last night. She’s 11 years old. Our. Our puppy. Just. Our. He, he. He was 14 years old, but we just always call him our puppy. He just passed away two days ago. And you know, we’ve had some other different things take place within our family and, and, you know, through an uncle and just different things. And she said, you know, this is the worst time in my life.
1:03:42 Rachel Pastor: She said, everything’s going wrong, everything’s horrible. And when she said that, I was thinking, that is so interesting. I feel like this is the best time in our lives. Like, I’m just loving life, you know? Yes. Some things have happened that haven’t felt good. But I was just sitting there thinking, man, perspective is everything. Because you can choose to look at it in all of its, you know, how horrible it is, how fearful it is, or you can choose to look at it in the beauty and the gratitude and through love.
1:04:20 Rachel Pastor: And it really shifts everything with inside of you and how you show up and how you live, you know.
1:04:25 Tansy Rodgers: So, yeah, first off, I’m sorry about your loss.
1:04:29 Rachel Pastor: Thank you.
1:04:32 Tansy Rodgers: Here’s the truth that no one tells you. Even when the breakthrough feels amazing, the after can feel messy, wobbly, like your energy is a little disordered while your.
1:04:45 Tansy Rodgers: Nervous system is just trying to play catch up.
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1:05:46 Tansy Rodgers: Tiffany thinking about that perspective shift and thinking about how we’re really trying to change the narrative for so many people. I mean, you’ve worked with hundreds of individuals and businesses and you are this business mentor and helping people with intentional microdosing. What have you noticed about the way psychedelics really impact leadership, creativity and decision making? But also, do you feel that the business world is ready for this? Like these people who desperately need this perception shift. Do you think that they’re ready and.
1:06:22 Tiffany Hurd: What are you seeing the psychedelics ready for them?
1:06:27 Tansy Rodgers: That’s an even better question.
1:06:28 Tiffany Hurd: Good for them. You know, I think we live in a world now where, let me think of how I want to phrase this is maybe controversy, but I. I am a strong believer at this point in my life that everybody, not everybody, but most people, will benefit significantly working with psychedelics. By the way, that it opens us up, it reframes things, it allows us new perspective, all the things that we’re speaking into. And so when I correlate that into the business world, there’s really no separation between the business world and just a human.
1:07:07 Tiffany Hurd: Humans like obviously. And. But for a lot of people that are in leadership roles and companies and businesses and CEOs and entrepreneurs that are driving a lot of these innovative ideas and solutions that are impacting humanity in a really beautiful, positive way forward. Yes, it can change so many things. It can unlock these innovative ideas where they’ve been stuck. It can create a lot more cohesiveness and connection between the people that are on the same team and how they work with each other and how they become more vulnerable and open and connect more deeply on a personal level than having these walls up of I’m one person at work and I’m one person at home.
1:07:50 Tiffany Hurd: And so how can we start to kind of bridge that and create this More human connection where all of a sudden we’re being honest and authentic and we’re being real. And I think if we can bring that into the business world in a lot more ways and it starts with leadership and it starts with them kind of bringing that into the forefront, I think that that can really make a fantastic, you know, difference in a lot of ways.
1:08:20 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, I think that’s how I would answer. Answer that.
1:08:22 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Well, and I will also say too, so. So ADHD work is a large part of my sphere and the work that I do. And so I think about business and I think about those who are in some of these positions that can create a bigger leadership impact. A lot of them have ADHD or some kind of neuro diversity. And that can be very challenging. So I’m curious, can you speak a little bit to that specifically? Neurodivergent brains, adhd, how microdosing can really be effective and helpful and allow you to step into your genius even deeper.
1:09:03 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, it’s such a good question because. Exactly. In the workplace and businesses and companies, whether it’s either of those or it’s high stress levels or anxiety or the pressure, it’s all creating a certain closure in the body where you can’t fully be you and express without feeling those things in the room. And so where I find, where we find that psychedel and the research that psychedelics is supporting with is allowing that, allowing our brains to literally rewire how we’re feeling, rewire the perspectives and go in and change things from a neurobiological perspective where we can now start to focus, we can now feel more creative, we can now feel like just the heaviness and the loudness and the distractions are just kind of removed in a way where it’s not perfect, but it’s enough for you to see things through a new lens and connect in a new way. And you know, an example of just like presenting and a lot of people have a lot of anxiety presenting or a lot of ADHD can come in with presenting and reading and just going over anything along those lines in front of a team.
1:10:10 Tiffany Hurd: Imagine if you can start to feel more confident, even 50% than what you’re used to feeling, how that delivery can come across and how even just touching on more vulnerable aspects of showing yourself to the room, what that, what that can then create in terms of connection. And so I do think that the foundation is love and connection. And a lot of that comes through vulnerability and the openness and the desire to one acknowledge those parts within yourself. But also allow yourself to be seen and received in those ways in a room, in a corporate setting.
1:10:44 Tiffany Hurd: We don’t see that very often.
1:10:47 Tansy Rodgers: I, I love that. And it can offer so much freedom. So now let’s talk about maybe some of the stigmas because I’m sure there’s somebody listening to this right now. It’s like, I’d really like to do that. It feels like it would be really helpful. But there’s still these stigmas that exist around psychedelics. What is the biggest misconception that people have about microdosing in particular? And how do we start dismantling those outdated narratives that are flying around freely and wildly?
1:11:20 Rachel Pastor: Yeah, so one would be that it’s, it’ll. A lot of people, what we hear is that they’re worried that it’s going to make them feel high or that they’re not going to have control of themselves in some way. And the thing with microdosing is that it’s a sub perceptual amount and you absolutely can live your day to day life. You can take care of your kids, you can do your job, you can drive your car, you can do all of those things. And in fact if you can’t, you’re probably not microdosing, so you’re probably taking too much.
1:11:51 Rachel Pastor: So it really, you know, a microdose is anywhere from 50 milligrams all the way to like up to 500 milligrams. That would be a lot. But it, it can range anywhere in that area and it really is about finding the right dose for you. But that is the number one thing we hear without a doubt is like people are worried about being higher or losing control in some way. No fear, no fear. That will not happen.
1:12:20 Rachel Pastor: If, if anything you’re just gonna feel lighter, happier, more joyful. You’re going to be more aware, more tapped into your feelings, in, in the beauty around you. But you will be able to live your day to day life. The other thing that we often hear is, you know, so many people like myself growing up in an era of, you know, I, I forget the name of the program, but it was, it was all around don’t do drugs. Right. What was the name of that program?
1:12:54 Tansy Rodgers: Oh, dare. Dare.
1:12:57 Rachel Pastor: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. And so, you know, a lot of what we were programmed into is, you know, don’t do this, this is bad. And, and, and, and yes, there are some drugs out there that are not good and that really can, you know, I, I personally, as we just heard my story, walk through addiction of heroin and opioids. But they’re also, they also, you know, included in that lsd, psilocybin and so many other things in, in medicines really is what we call them that have been around for, oh my gosh, forever, forever long, long before we were here.
1:13:46 Rachel Pastor: Right. And, and people have been using these medicines in, in. And they don’t see them as drugs at all. They’ve been using these medicines for healing. And so it, it really is being able to shift your perspective and being able to see the truth in that, in that it’s, it really is not a drug. It’s truly a medicine that medicine, women and medicine men have been using to heal their families. And in, in some cultures, they have kids on this medicine at very, very young ages as they’re going through writeage of passages.
1:14:31 Rachel Pastor: And, and so there’s something really beautiful about that. But I also, I would love to hear Tiffany share a little bit about this because she also has a lot to share here.
1:14:46 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, I was, I was like, I had a few thoughts and then they went away. As you were speaking, something that does keep coming in is there, there is a stigma across like sort of the ceremonial shamanic kind of retreat where a lot of people don’t resonate with that experience all that much. And that’s okay because there is this whole other clinical, therapeutic side of things that, you know, there’s a lot of controversy with the underground and then what’s happening with the pharmaceutical drug development effect, of course.
1:15:22 Tiffany Hurd: But the way that I’ve always viewed that is there is a need and a space for both. Because like I just said, some people are going to really resonate more with the ceremonial retreat, outdoor sort of experience, live music, things like that. If you’re working with like higher amounts of medicine for the most part, and then some are going to resonate more in a clinical setting. And so long as the medicine is serving people in a way where it’s, it’s impacting and healing them, I think that that is really what it’s about.
1:15:52 Tiffany Hurd: And so I think there’s a lot of controversy with both sides, with different views on both of those sides, therapeutic and shamanic. And then of course, legalities, of course people are like, well, this isn’t legal. How do I get access? There’s a lot of fear around that we go all the way back to society, fear of war on drugs in the 50s and everything that is still taking place from then. And how do you overcome that and how do you share with people to still work with the medicine where There is a lot of that fear.
1:16:25 Tiffany Hurd: And so a lot of it’s through education, through personal experiences. A lot of people that we work with, their close, you know, family members or a friend, someone close to them, worked with these medicines and had a really positive experience. And now there’s a lot more trust and safety and openness because of those shares. And there’s more of a relatability of, oh, you went and worked with these medicines for these reasons. I’m also experiencing that that helped you. Can that help me?
1:16:53 Tiffany Hurd: And so we see that often, but there’s a lot of, of stigma around that. Absolutely.
1:17:00 Tansy Rodgers: And so these misconceptions then create this disconnect from these ancient healing tools, like you said, have been around forever. What do you think needs to happen for us to really reclaim that relationship and for people to be able to step forward a little bit more confidently, to be able to connect to them again?
1:17:22 Tiffany Hurd: It’s happening. We’re in it. We’re in the movement. Our generation right now is the movement driving this forward. And that’s why it’s so mind blowing and phenomenal and so inspiring in so many ways, because we’re literally taking what our ancestors left for us and the traditions and we’re bringing it forward. And there’s a stigma of how it’s being brought forward in a lot of ways. And it’s happening because we’re a whole new generation. But there is a lot of honor and respect of keeping the tradition alive and keeping the respect there. Alive.
1:17:57 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah, through education, through the incredible research and clinical trials that are happening right now that have happened. The data that’s coming out from really valuable physicians and institutions where the data and the research doesn’t lie. It’s, it’s. And it paints the story of where we’ve been and where we are and where we’re going. And it’s, you know, trials with depression, with ADHD, with anxiety. And so what would you say 80, 90% of our society experiences that at some point in their life or is diagnosed with that at some point in their life. And now all of a sudden you’re seeing these studies with this medicine that is showing these incredible positive outcomes.
1:18:41 Tiffany Hurd: It’s there. Yeah. So through, like I said, education, personal experiences, talking about it on a podcast, where you hear our stories and where we’ve come from and the journey that we’ve walked and how these medicines have played such a pivotal, pivotal point of our lives. And we’re one of thousands of hundreds of thousands of people that have walked this journey. And have been impacted with these medicines.
1:19:08 Tansy Rodgers: And so I love that there’s so much research and so much backing to the benefits because that really helps to create this foundation of when somebody comes forward and says, oh, psychedelics is just. Just an escape. It’s just an escape. Yeah, placebo effects, you’re not really getting benefit from it, but the studies are showing that. So that’s so beautiful.
1:19:32 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah. And look like just because there’s studies, not everyone’s like, going to have that same experience. Just because someone in a study was, you know, alleviated from anxiety doesn’t mean everyone’s going to have that experience. It’s so individualized and knowing that each experience is going to be so different. Each and each journey is going to have its own because you’re an individual human being and there’s things that you need that are different from that other person. But there are common threads and there are. Are common benefits that will be experienced.
1:20:02 Tansy Rodgers: Well, Golden Rule Mushrooms, you talked about this earlier when we first started out. Golden Rule Mushrooms is really trying to step into doing something a little different in this space. So how do you see the future of psychedelics evolving in the wellness world through Golden Rule Mushrooms? And what are you both excited for that is starting to evolve? We’re hoping to see come forward through working as representatives with this company.
1:20:33 Rachel Pastor: Wow. We’re excited about so much. We’ve stepped deeply into education this year and we’re really excited about that piece because that is such an important piece to all of this. So I think the educational piece just really helps people get the most out of the experience. And so much of what we talked about today and, and really helping them from the very start, be able to set those intentions, to really understand integration, to be able to understand how to take the medicine and how to be on a protocol and all of those, you know, those things that really help for the best outcome.
1:21:16 Rachel Pastor: But I really see us continuing to, you know, a lot of the people that we help are new, they’re newer to the space. And I love that because again, I really feel like we are being that bridge when we have these newer people coming in. And there are people from all walks of life, but we do have a lot of entrepreneurs. We do have. But we have a lot of moms also, you know, and. And they might be entrepreneurs too, but we have a lot of mothers.
1:21:54 Rachel Pastor: We really see ourselves in continuing to open the door for new people to try something that ultimately can completely change their lives and making them, and really helping them feel comfortable to do that. And so that’s really what we want to continue to do, is educate. We want to continue to open the door to anybody and everybody who’s interested in trying it and really help them walk this path in.
1:22:25 Rachel Pastor: In the transformation.
1:22:27 Tansy Rodgers: Which is beautiful because, listen, I talk about this on this podcast. We’re stepping into a new reality where some people call it 5D, some people call it a new consciousness, some people call it up level. It doesn’t matter what terms you. But we’re stepping into a new reality. And the reality of that new reality is it’s going to demand something more of us. It’s going to demand deeper healing. It’s going to demand us cracking open. It’s going to demand love to step forward.
1:22:55 Tansy Rodgers: And until. Until we allow ourselves to heal on a deeper level, we’re never going to truly be able to experience that next level of dimension. Right. That next level of consciousness. And. And I’m not surprised that there’s a lot of entrepreneurs coming forward because they’re the visionaries. They’re the visionaries pushing forward and wanting something different. Because you know what, Just like you said about in the beginning, Rachel, when you stepped out of health and fitness, not that it wasn’t necessary, not that it’s like, good work.
1:23:28 Tansy Rodgers: It was just, you need something different. I think a lot of people are now there. They’re tired of just being in a belief system of what they’re told to believe. It’s now time to experience something way different, and they’re hungry for it.
1:23:47 Rachel Pastor: I had chills. I still do, through everything that you just said. I believe that wholeheartedly. And I see that. And we see it every single day. And I think it’s exciting. It’s super, super exciting. And again, just had chills through you talking.
1:24:06 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah.
1:24:08 Tiffany Hurd: And that’s what we’re excited about. On my side with Golden Rule and everything that we’re doing is the impact is that alone being a part of just a fraction of someone’s transformation in a way where they’re so deeply impacted by a medicine like this.
1:24:22 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Love it. Well, if someone is listening and they’re curious about microdosing, but they’re still a little nervous because they’re new. Right. And they want to have a little bit of a bridge gap for them. What is one piece of advice that you would give that person before really stepping into this experience and helping them to feel a little bit more confident?
1:24:49 Rachel Pastor: Yeah. Well, you know, I always tell people, do your research. And so that always is really helpful. We can share some research resources on the best place to do that. But as well, reach out to us. You know, we want to talk to you, we want to help and, you know, answer any questions. Because I ultimately think what keeps people stuck is they have questions and they’re just not finding the answers, you know, or they’re, they’re. They.
1:25:17 Rachel Pastor: Their questions have. Haven’t been fulfilled yet to help them feel safe. And so we’re happy to answer any questions in. In reaching out through us, through email as well. We, you know, have a free microdosing guide, and that really helps answer a lot of questions as well. Into understanding exactly the process to understanding, you know, how you can find the right product for you. And what always helped me is also listening to other people’s stories and listening to other people’s transformations.
1:25:55 Rachel Pastor: And oftentimes when, you know, we’re all connected, we’re all connected. So it’s so funny when you hear somebody else’s story. Oftentimes you’ll resonate with so many aspects of it being like, oh, my God, that’s me too. You know, that’s me too. And. And so really looking for stories of other people who have already transformed their lives in this way and how they’ve used the medicine to do that.
1:26:23 Tansy Rodgers: Yeah. Well, you know, first I just want to say thank you for opening all of this up and taking some of the stigma out and just allowing people to see how transformative this can be. Like I said, this has been going on in the circles that I am in, and there’s been so much talk and buzz, and I am just, I’m so grateful that you both could come here and talk all about this topic that I think is literally a large part of our future healing.
1:26:55 Tansy Rodgers: So where can people find you? Where can they tap into your world? What do you have going on right now that you want to share?
1:27:05 Rachel Pastor: Yeah. So you’re always welcome to. You can find our website@goldenrul mushrooms.com. you’re always welcome to reach out to us at. Hello, Golden Rule Mushrooms. That’s our email as well. You can find us on social media. Golden Rule Mushrooms. And also our other Instagram is Golden Rule Microdose. And so we’re all. We’re on there as well. You’re more than welcome to reach out to me. I’m Rachel, and then it’s Rachel Pastor on Instagram.
1:27:35 Rachel Pastor: And you’re more than welcome to reach out to Tiffany, which I think it’s. I am Tiffany Heard. Isn’t Is. Yeah, I am Tiffany Heard on Instagram.
1:27:45 Tansy Rodgers: Great. And I will have all of those links down in the show notes. You all know that by now. You can jump on down there and grab those links and learn more about this. Is there any last words as we wrap up today that you want to lay on the hearts of listeners?
1:28:03 Rachel Pastor: I, I do have something I want to share, but I also wanted to share that something that might be when you talk about helping people feel comfortable to take this next step. We do have a, we only run it three times a year and we’re running one in May. It’s our second one for the year. And it’s, it’s called the Microdosing experience and it’s 30 days long and it’s literally an opportunity to have us hold your hand through the first 30 days.
1:28:37 Rachel Pastor: And so we have a community. You have access to us. We do calls two times a week. All your medicine is included. Anything and everything you can need to really get the most out of your first 30 days, which are super duper important. And learn everything that you need to know to have a really successful path. But I, I, I completely forgot about that. But I did want to bring that in because it is happening in May and we only do it three times a year.
1:29:04 Rachel Pastor: And so if anybody is like, yeah, having my handheld through those first 30 days sounds amazing. That’s definitely a path for you. But well, something I wanted to share.
1:29:17 Tansy Rodgers: Is before you share your last words, I just want to make sure it will that opportunity be on your website that they can go on over and, and click and connect in. Okay.
1:29:28 Rachel Pastor: All right. Absolutely.
1:29:29 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah.
1:29:30 Rachel Pastor: It’s under education on our website and it’s the 30 day microdosing experience. Yep. Is Step into the Unknown. It is truly magical when you really take the, the, the road less traveled and allow yourself to experience life in a new way. If you notice you’re having the same experiences over and over and over, here’s your opportunity to get off the wheel. And all it takes is a decision to try something new.
1:30:15 Rachel Pastor: And oftentimes that is stepping into uncertainty and uncertainty leads to unlimited possibilities. So the world of unlimited possibilities is just step away. And I really encourage you to give it a try because anything is possible there.
1:30:37 Tiffany Hurd: Yeah. I’ll add to that is you’re listening to this podcast because something called you something resonated with you. The title of this podcast, Seeing Microdosing or seeing psychedelics Plant Medicine. Like something called you to listen. Whether it’s curiosity, a pool to work with this medicine. And so I really invite you to just hear that because a lot of it is the medicine calling to work with you. This medicine is very.
1:31:06 Tiffany Hurd: Has its own divine intelligence, and when it’s ready to work with you, it finds you. And that could be through this podcast. And so I would just encourage you to really anchor and listen into that. And we’re here. We’re so excited to receive any of you, answer any of your questions. And thank you so much for having us. Really, so grateful to have this conversation.
1:31:26 Tansy Rodgers: Thank you both so much. And yes, I am a huge believer in synchronicities, and if you’re drawn to this, I think that’s key. Tiffany, if you’re drawn to this, there’s a reason, and this might be exactly where you’re being led next. So thank you both so much for this amazing conversation. I’m so grateful to have you here and to be connected into you and the work that you’re doing. And, yeah, just so grateful for you. Thank you.
1:31:55 Rachel Pastor: Thank you for having us on. We are so grateful.
1:31:59 Tansy Rodgers: Such a good conversation. If you’re like me, you might need to sit with this one for a minute. There’s something about these conversations that remind us how deeply human we are, how much we carry, how much we still long to feel, and how powerful it can be when we finally give ourselves permission to heal in ways that feel aligned, not prescribed. So here are your journal prompts and reflection cues for this week.
1:32:28 Tansy Rodgers: What are you ready to feel that you’ve been numbing? What version of you is trying to emerge? If only you could soften the grip. And what’s one way that you can create more spaciousness this week for integration, rest and receiving, my friend. Your path isn’t linear. It’s cyclical, messy, beautiful, and brave. And in this episode, if this episode cracked open something within you, share it with someone who. Who’s ready to shift.
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